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Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the heads up on this article. I've had the "pleasure" of hearing Mr. Bradley speak. Ironically it was at a fundraiser for the Nathan Bedford Forrest childhood home. I had just spoken to the local SCV and they put on the fundraiser and gave me tickets.

Mr. Bradley speaks as he writes apparently. Nothing he said was grounded in current historiography concerning the war. As you said, I can't imagine how someone writes about war policy, esp. in the Middle Tn. and North Al. area and doesn't reference Ash, Grimsley, etc. That is just poor scholarship and I can't believe the editors allowed it.

I am no doubt persona non grata with local SCV boys in that I don't say the pledge to the CSA flag...which I think is just weird. And at the end of Bradley's lecture, he did this kind of wild spoken word thing where he "is the Confederate flag." And then, I kid you not, the curtains behind him were pulled and a CSA battleflag the size of my house was unfulred and everyone stood and sang Dixie and cried. Except for me and my former high school teacher who went with me (and is descended from Ohio Yankee stock). We both agreed we had experienced something that was too surreal to explain. I actually may buy the magazine to see what he says about North Ala, which I am writing about right now.

Thanks, Chris

Chris, -- I didn't mention in the post that I looked up his name and found all kinds of references to "neo-Confederate" organizations. I am not surprised by your story. I still find it hard to believe that this nonsense was published; it doesn't bode well for the future of the magazine.

Um, wow. Just, wow.

As a John Brown scholar, I of course take issue with his characterization of Brown. Perhaps one might be able to argue (as Tom Goodrich does) that Brown was a terrorist bent on destroying all Southern whites, but I really don't buy the idea that Brown supported whole-scale slaughter. If so, why did he take hostages at Harper's Ferry? Why didn't he just kill Lewis Washington and the others? Anyway, I digress.

It sounds like an interesting article...I shall check it out.

Chris, -- Wow indeed.

HE, -- The problem is that it is not in any way interesting. It is a poorly-constructed mess that fails to draw any line between scholarship and emotion.

Isn't he a retired professor from Middle Tennessee State U? Which, IMHO, makes it worse. Thanks for the heads up, I'll skip the article. I also am discouraged with the direction that N&S is going.

He is indeed a retired professor who taught at MTSU. In addition to the Burd Street Press book Bradley is the author of _It Happened During the Civil War_ and _It Happened During the American Revolution_. I know nothing about these titles. Here are a few links where you can find him:
http://www.tennessee-scv.org/camp155/
http://spofga.org/flag/2007/jan/stephen_dill_lee.php

Kevins:

I believe that Professor Bradley taught at Motlow State Community College in Lynchburg, not MTSU. I think he also was recently commander of the Tennessee SCV.

Ken

Are scholars losing the battle to interpret the Civil War to the public? The unchecked rise of this neo-Confederate nonsense is terribly depressing. Before I found this blog I tended to blow these guys off, thinking they were the last gasp of a bankrupt 19th-century world view. These days I am less certain, less confident.

"...This attitude shows there existed a core group espousing such extreme hatred of Southern whites that wholesale deaths were thought a desirable end...."

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Yeah...no doubt-

"It is plain that nothing approaching the present policy will subdue the rebels. Whether we shall find anybody with a sufficient grasp of mind and sufficient moral courage to treat this as a radical revolution and remodel our institutions, I doubt. It would involve the desolation of the South as well as emancipation, and a repeopling of half the continent. This ought to be done, but it startles most men."

Thaddeus Stevens, September 5, 1862
The Life of Thaddeus Stevens..., p.188
http://books.google.com/books?id=z6cSAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22life+of+thaddeus+stevens%22#PPA188,M1

Perhaps you could provide some analysis of what you believe the Stevens quote implies. Apparently you believe that Stevens is advocating the assumptions contained int he Bradley quote. Sorry, but I don't see it, but perhaps you know something about Stevens that the rest of us don't.

Ah, of course. I won't bother to read it then, since you've given me a great synopsis of the key details.

Kevin (sorry, I presume that is your name, but the only references I find on the page are from sycophants or to the pronoun "I"),

I find it interesting that you describe Bradley's sources "weak". They are much the same as Grimsley's. And before you ask, yes I have read The Hard Hand of War and am casually acquainted (electronically) with Mark Grimsley. Grimsley relies almost wholly on the O.R. and other Federal accounts. Weak? You tell me. They are undoubtedly self-serving, and understated. As for any antebellum causation for Hurst's actions, my response is "So what?". They don't mitigate his war-time deeds. Hurst's and other Tories' (such as Stokes' 10th Cavalry up on the plateau) units were largely populated with what I'll politely refer to as the scum of the local populations. The miscreants, the rowdies, the layabouts, who took advantage of the absence of those citizens who were away in Confederate service to create havoc, exact revenge for perceived slights, and otherwise slip off the leash for a while. All under color of "authority". Must have been sweet while it lasted for them. For the sake of propriety, I'll just refrain from commenting on Milroy. William Truesdail, too.

The "modern historiography" to which you refer is often just as biased and self-serving as anything you may dismiss as "Lost Cause". Some authors (notably the pseudo-Marxist Eric Foner) are all too eager to recast the period in terms which fit modern social and racial sensibilities. I'll not drop The R Word (revisionist) on you like it is some sort of epithet. All history is revisionist to some extent, as new sources come to light. Bradley's use of the recently uncovered Provost Marshall's records are just such an example. But, since they are relatively unvarnished and definitely disturbing as to how they relate the treatment afforded civilians of Confederate sympathies, you seem to object. Weak? Again, you tell me. I'm sure you'd prefer to cast them aside as such.

Don't agree with Bradley's conclusions? Fine. Suit yourself. The sources are there for you to check out. And just because he doesn't parrot Grimsley or Ash does not mean he's not right.

To Mr. Chris Paysinger --

For someone who claims to be an ear and eye witness to Bradley's presentation of "I am Their Flag", you sure don't have much of a grasp on it. This poem does not place the
author/presenter in any position to claim that he "is the Confederate flag". Far from it. The story is told from the perspective of the flag, were it able to recite the many trials and experiences of the men who carried it. It is a direct rebuttal of those who see the flag as only a symbol of injustice or animosity. And also a refutation of those who are guilty of placing it in that context -- the haters and retrograde social neanderthals.

I'm sorry you and your Ohio-refugee school teacher companion found the Salute to the Flag "weird". This is The South. We have a deep sense of place, and a connection to our past which others often are incapable of understanding. Further, the SCV is a partisan organization. The lineal heir of the UCV. In the right context, it all makes perfect sense. Apparently, you just don't grasp the context. My only advice to you is "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". Or just keep your head down. Whichever you find easier.

Allen, -- I'm not sure I understand your criticism. My problem was not necessarily with the sources, but the interpretation of those sources. The author used those sources to fashion an overly simplistic argument that supposedly detailed attacks on civilians by Union soldiers. Of course, that did take place and I am very interested in the scope of such activity. Unfortunately, the author was more interested in arriving at conclusions already established in his own mind.

I will not address your characterization of Grimsley, Ashe, and Foner as you provide nothing substantive to respond to. All the same, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to the post.

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